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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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rendlesham forest incident it doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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sort of classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father held his hand and he looked

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hello and welcome to Podcast UFO i am

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not your normal host Martin Willis

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Martin is unfortunately separated from

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the internet at the moment because he is

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moving to his fortress of solitude so

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instead this week you are saddled with

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me Michael out some of the longer term

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listeners might remember me I used to do

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the news for the show before we came to

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Dark Matter radio network uh and had to

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leave because I wasn't able to commit to

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all these people and I am glad to fill

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in from Martin um today we will have

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John venturi on we will unfortunately

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not be able to connect with John Tobin

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there won't be a news but luckily we do

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have an astronomy segment with Andy

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Fleming so if that is ready to go we

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will get that right up here first listen

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to the astronomy segment and be back

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with a John vintry and talk about the

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Malaysian Airlines flight that is

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UFOs and haim autism lessness now once

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people realize that you're an amateur

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astronomer then on the outside questions

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for you the first is have you ever seen

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a UFO and my answer in the broader sense

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the acronym is well yes I have and you

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can check out a full report of my

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sighting with artists impressions and

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possible explanations at podcast you

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forward slash press hyphen releases the

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second question they ask is what are

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black holes and of course it's a good

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question well mainstream astrophysicists

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believe black holes usually result from

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the core collapse of giant stars these

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stars are thousands of times the mass of

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our Sun and then they're relatively

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all they are a prediction of Albert

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Einstein's theory of general relativity

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which was published way back nearly 100

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ends its life the nuclear fusion

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the start detonates the resulting

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visible universe now in 1974 radio

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massive object in the center of our

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its orbiting stars further observations

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early universe is still a complete

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mystery there's no need to worry though

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about our black hole at the center of

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the Milky Way our monster otherwise

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hear it's not fading on there by stars

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well thank you Andy for that and I don't

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know about you listeners but I could

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hear I could listen to Andy flipping

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talk about anything I love I love that

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accent now once again I'd like to

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the news and that is the Malaysian

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flight 370 that has been missing you may

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have heard on the internet about someone

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who suggested that it was abducted by

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aliens that man is our guest today John

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ventre he is the author of an

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alternative history of mankind

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uh he also wrote 12 21 12 of prophecy

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UFOs over Pennsylvania a few other books

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he is on the move on board and he is

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also I believe the state director for

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Pennsylvania John are you are you there

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did I get did I get that correct you are

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still move on board member yeah Boyd and

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Pennsylvania and we see you on on

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television some as well don't we yeah on

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Friday nights at 10pm but we have a new

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MUFON face show called hangar 12 UFO

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files and what makes that show different

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is it's based on real cases you know a

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that are on like take unsealed if you've

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watched that they show this file cabinet

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and they pull the file out and all

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animated they don't really have a file

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cabinet with any files because it's a

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made-up show as far as that goes you

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know what they're getting is probably

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historical stuff off the internet but

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real this is real cases that we've

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worked so this is probably the only real

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I asked I do enjoy that show um will you

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be on are you on every episode yeah and

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every episode I'm getting emails on

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facebook messages saying why are you

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wearing the same clothes but I think

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what it is is they're able to you know I

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did like 16 17 hours of filming for the

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eight shows to get five minutes in each

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show but I think if you dress the same

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way they can take clips and put it in

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any of the eight so it doesn't look like

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turtleneck and then the next you know

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interview you're in a red shirt so I

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think that's the only reason because I

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brought three outfits to wear for the

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filming and they only

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they said leave the red shirt on well as

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we all know from watching Star Trek the

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red shirt is a bad sign oh that's right

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those were the ones who died right the

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guys were oh is that the security guys

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for sure yes that was the guys that did

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intend to make it to the opening credits

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that's right well I spent my career in

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security 35 years at UPS is their state

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security director so it's it's all goes

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hand in hand great now you are not here

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tonight as a representative of MUFON

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correct no I i I'm doing this interview

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on in my opinions not not MUFON or a

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hangar 1 show no I mean it was nice to

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mention both of those as credentials but

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I want to do this interview more on my

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book and just my opinion sure and we

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will do that but first I'd like to give

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you a chance as a move on board member

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it seems to me that MUFON over the last

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couple of years has gotten a lot of bad

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press on a particularly a lot of

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internet radio shows so uh what I'd like

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to do is basically give you a minute or

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so to explain to all the listeners why

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it's to their advantage to join MUFON

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and what make smooth MUFON worth wild

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and then we'll leave MUFON behind after

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that yeah okay yeah well you know when

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all that bad press started a couple

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years ago it was really it was one

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really long term disgruntled state

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director that that got on a vendetta to

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get even with MUFON because she was

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removed as the state director for her

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state and then you know she was a social

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organizer in her early day so she knew

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how to turn the crowd against you you

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know calling members in every state and

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turning them against the organization so

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it didn't look like it was coming from

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her but all these different people

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writing in and and going to these groups

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so I mean she knew what she was doing

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and it was unfortunate you know I think

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they could have worked out the

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differences where she was demoted and

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maybe not being demoted or taken second

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in charge in the state or something but

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it didn't work that way so it so it

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turned into this

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really a campaign against MUFON from a

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long-term MUFON member and that was

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unfortunate so so that's what everybody

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has heard but you know I I would move on

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now I don't know 16 years I've been a

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state director for about half that time

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I've been on their board for three years

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and I'm an interim board member I'm

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waiting for a permanent opening because

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they only have nine board members and

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his three of us that are like in

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training but we go to all the meetings

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in the conference calls and you know

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I've never seen the you know they say

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like well there's people on roof on that

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our government and you know and I've

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never seen that I mean I don't see you

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know those type of connections and stuff

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it's just an organization and like I

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said if anything you know the board has

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nine members and I think six of them are

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75 and older so you know that's a

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different mentality when you you're

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dealing with people from that generation

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so um they're a little more cut-and-dry

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World War tool to member you know

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methods my way or the highway you know I

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don't want to say too many things that

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that sound negative but it's different

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than if you were dealing with a bunch of

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30 year olds from google let's say you

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know so so as far as MUFON goes I mean

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it is the only organization that's out

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there that's international it's been

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around since nineteen 669 it has

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survived for all the years we had like I

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said we're an international organization

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3,000 members were set up to do the

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investigations and you know even this TV

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show with all the files that we have we

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have 70,000 files in a warehouse and the

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producers are going through the older

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files that are at the you know

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electronic we've gone electronica last

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eight or ten years but so so you know

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this is the real only organization you

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can join other than a local group in

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your town what you're really not going

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to get cases to investigate maybe a

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couple of year I mean I get over 300 in

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Pennsylvania i get almost one case a day

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and i would say with the show airing now

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the number of cases are going to go up

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tell my guys this week I said we got

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already in the first quarter of the year

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we have a 98 Close Encounters of the

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second kind and nine Close Encounters of

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the Third Kind I think we only had three

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or four all of last year people are

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coming out of the woodwork now because

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they're comfortable they see us on TV

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they want to get their case in front of

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us and and some of them are historic and

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something real good cases good you know

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are coming out right now not a close

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encounter of the second kind because I

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know you're going to ask me that what

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does that mean you know the second kind

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means you basically saw a UFO below

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cloud level first kind would be kind of

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high-flying fast-moving you don't really

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know what it is that's unidentified

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second kind has identified its below

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cloud level close encounter of the third

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kind is where you saw the entity and

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like I said we've got 17 good cases just

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in Pennsylvania in the first quarter

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well that that is amazing um now do you

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think that's because of the show or do

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you think we're kind of in the middle of

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a flap well I don't I don't think it's a

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flap I you know I thought about that too

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with the show so I went back and looked

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and probably 10 of the 17 came in before

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the show aired so the show is bringing

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out the historic cases i'm getting cases

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now where the guy i'll say you know in

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1969 this happened in 1966 this happened

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so i don't know just it's kind of

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strange at all of a sudden this year

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prior to the show 10 11 of those good

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cases came out and and we're still

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getting them but we're going to get

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probably i guarantee you 400 cases this

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year because once people feel

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comfortable they come out and they tell

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you what happened okay now before we

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leave MUFON behind um if I why should I

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join let's say I'm busy I'm interested

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in UFOs I can't investigate I can't put

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time into that it is it still a

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worthwhile organization for me to join

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yeah I would tell you to join mainly to

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support the group because the only

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funding MUFON

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has is by people subscribing to the

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magazine you get a monthly journal and

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you know the subscription if you get an

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online subscription it's it's less than

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three dollars an issue the printed

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mailed copy is like four dollars an

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issue so but that's really their only

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income and I've said this to people you

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said you know you look at seddie seddie

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recently said they were bankrupt and

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they needed money and they received over

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100 million dollars in donations a lot

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from Hollywood and hewlett-packard and

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and those techie companies in California

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you know where's move on get twenty

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thirty thousand dollars a year in

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donations I mean we're the ones actually

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performing the investigations we're a

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non-profit so it's tax deductible so you

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know if anything if you just want to

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read about it then just join subscribe

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to get the magazine if you want to be an

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investigator because we live for the

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good case you know we live for that case

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that comes in and says like we got one

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today in Harrisburg where the witness

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says he saw a UFO and it dropped

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something that's it so it's like

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something fell to the ground now it's

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trace evidence and you know so now you

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okay so um there's our plug for MUFON

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now we're officially separating up

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you're no longer a representative MUFON

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for the rest of the show you are John

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printery the author of an alternative

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history of mankind is the book out yet

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yeah actually it just got delivered to

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my house yesterday it had been on kindle

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since let's say the weekend when the

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publisher put it out there so I've got

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the copies that can be mailed milko

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which takes a little longer but yeah see

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it's out there and and it's ready to be

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shipped okay um now unfortunately

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because I did come in last minute I

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didn't get a chance to read the book and

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I apologize for that but I have seen

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some of the material on it um basically

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you're saying that there's a historical

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alien presence in Earth history yeah and

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I think it goes back to the beginning I

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really do and from all the research I've

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done what I've done with this book is

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the first couple of chapters I've gone

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back and I try to retell our history as

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though they have always been here and

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how they have interfered and then after

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that I put everything I know about UFOs

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into this book I have one chapter called

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do you know should you know where I put

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everything in chronological order and

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bullet points so if you know nothing

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about UFOs and only read that one

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chapter that has I think 166 bullet

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points and it's in date order you would

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have a very good feeling understanding

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of this field then is quotes these

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photos so this is and I be honest with

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you it is my fifth book third in the

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last two years since I retired and I

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don't plan on writing anymore so so this

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is it this is this is the ultimate I'm

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planning contribution yeah I'm planning

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that to be my last book i do when i

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write a monthly article for the MUFON

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journal but I do not plan on writing any

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more books after this I'm done I put

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everything I know about the field into

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this book I don't know that I'm going to

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learn a lot more but i'm done now with

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writing books now you use the word

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interference um is it fair to say that

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you do not look upon extraterrestrials

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as a benevolent force well I'm torn on

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that because the stuff I've read from

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the 1950s you know the captain repelled

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and major Keyhoe the guys that were

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involved in all of this they say that

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that they're not a threat man fact one

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of the writers from the 50s said it's

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not the UFOs that are the problem it's

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the people you know our demanding

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wanting to know the truth and our legal

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rights and an a or so it's really the

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UFOs are at least back then they didn't

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view them as

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being dangerous that's why the Air Force

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said that they were no longer going to

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investigate UFOs because they're not a

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threat to national security so they must

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know they're not armed they're not here

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to take over but the only big but that I

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have and don't take that literally is uh

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is uh the abductions and I don't know

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too many people that have been abducted

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or tell us their story and it's a good

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story it is a kidnapping a raper you

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know it is just you know I tell people

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go call your state police and report it

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if you think you've been abducted

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because that's how serious it is David

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polite ease just wrote a book on state

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parks and the number of people that

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disappear from state parks it's

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incredible now i'm sure there's

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homicidal maniacs out there hanging

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around state parks but what if that's

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not the only answer so you know my gut

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tells me there's more than one species

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and the species that have that's here

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now that's been here the last 20 years

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let's say I don't think that I think

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they're hostile I really do and I agree

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with dr. david jacobs they're not here

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to help us they're hostile maybe the

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ones that were here back in the 50s were

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here to observe and i think through two

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years that it's mainly what they've been

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doing but you know you can't ignore this

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abduction thing and i see it as as

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hostile now what uh what fresh

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perspective do you bring to this topic

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because this is frankly i mean not a new

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idea so so what what makes John

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Venturi's book the one that our

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listeners should pick up and raid yeah

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you know I've never um you know people

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will write something on one particular

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idea I've never seen anyone take our

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history and start you know and go

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through our entire history as to how

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they may have affected it what their

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agenda is you know they don't write a

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book on abductions and talk about a few

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people but nobody has actually taken

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this and we told our whole history then

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you know I was watching I think on

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history channel the story of us so the

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story of mankind whatever they called it

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a couple years ago and that's really

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where I got the idea you know they went

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through and retold American history

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let's say and I said you know what I'm

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gonna retell our history as though they

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have always been here they interfered

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and and I give a number of examples

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along the way and possible things there

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are things I don't know obviously but

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you know you look at Egypt you know were

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those the gods that they brought out a

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new beset cetera you know the

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eight-foot-tall humans with animal and

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bird heads you know that's genetic

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engineering is what that is can I prove

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that no I can't but you know what if

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you're in a primitive society then you

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bring four or eight foot out tall men

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with animal bird heads I'd call that

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crowd control and it that's probably

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wonder what they were meant to do when

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you see that type of creature come

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walking out so you know I know obviously

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there's things that I just give my

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opinion but then there's other things

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like I think that they're here and they

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observe our governments are are you know

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different forms of government their

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conflicts between races I've never

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bought the evolution theory I don't

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believe that you know there is evolution

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to a point but I don't think we got here

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from evolution not not humans homo

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sapiens but I definitely think that the

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different forms of government the racial

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groups you know I was talking to Richard

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doll and he goes well you know climate

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and stuff you can you'll get that change

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in the in the pigment and stuff I said

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yep I take a globe and I put my finger

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on one latitude and I spin it and it

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goes through South America Africa and

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Southeast Asia why do three different

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racial groups if they in the same

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temperature zone you know it doesn't

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make sense to me so I I think they've

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been here and they've interfered in a

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lot of ways I think they've helped in

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some ways you know to you know to help

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united states i think they helped

539
00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:15,309
washington his diary talks about green

540
00:24:21,239 --> 00:24:18,279
skinned aliens it's green skin Indians

541
00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:21,249
that gave him the British coordinates

542
00:24:25,950 --> 00:24:23,860
it's in his journal because he wasn't

543
00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:25,960
that good at general and and they helped

544
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:28,950
him and I think they were helping

545
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:33,039
America and just to see how people act

546
00:24:38,909 --> 00:24:35,950
when they're free and it kind of worries

547
00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:38,919
me now that china is rising and it seems

548
00:24:43,739 --> 00:24:41,169
like they're getting a lot of help and I

549
00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:43,749
hope they haven't shifted you know to

550
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:46,590
see how a you know communism and

551
00:24:51,149 --> 00:24:49,090
totalitarianism works because you can

552
00:24:53,789 --> 00:24:51,159
make a lot quicker decisions than you

553
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:53,799
can with our form of government but you

554
00:24:59,340 --> 00:24:55,570
depend on their lead of being benevolent

555
00:25:00,869 --> 00:24:59,350
and that doesn't always happen so really

556
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:00,879
this is this is much more of a

557
00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:04,090
socio-political book oh absolutely yeah

558
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:06,460
the first couple of chapters then I give

559
00:25:13,369 --> 00:25:08,529
you everything I know about the topic

560
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:13,379
about the facts about the case for UFOs

561
00:25:18,539 --> 00:25:15,730
you know all my folks are political they

562
00:25:20,249 --> 00:25:18,549
really are you know even the science

563
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:20,259
fiction ones you know I wrote the

564
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:23,529
Apophis 20-29 which is about the

565
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:26,289
asteroid that may hit us in 20 29 but I

566
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,090
you know I set the world in the year

567
00:25:33,509 --> 00:25:31,360
2029 and I put a lot of politics into it

568
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:33,519
is to you know where we'll be what the

569
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:37,090
planet will be like etc so yeah I'm

570
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:40,919
opinionated and I do put the politics in

571
00:25:45,930 --> 00:25:44,110
okay now before we go on um I'm gonna

572
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:45,940
give you a chance to sell the book here

573
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,289
you mentioned it was on Kendall so

574
00:25:52,019 --> 00:25:50,559
obviously that's amazon.com where where

575
00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:52,029
for our people out there who like to

576
00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:54,340
hold paper where can they get a physical

577
00:25:58,590 --> 00:25:56,830
copy of the book you will if you want

578
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,600
the autographed copy you can only get

579
00:26:04,259 --> 00:26:01,360
that for me and it's at my website which

580
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:04,269
is John venturi calm and that's V like

581
00:26:11,159 --> 00:26:09,129
in Victor entr e jaan venturi calm and I

582
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:11,169
autograph it auto ship it to you it's on

583
00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:13,330
my website you just purchase up there

584
00:26:19,889 --> 00:26:16,149
and I hate to be crass but how much is

585
00:26:22,169 --> 00:26:19,899
that it's $21 which include shipping so

586
00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:22,179
I think that's pretty good price for the

587
00:26:28,019 --> 00:26:25,419
autographed copy it might be worth it

588
00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:28,029
just to read about Washington in the

589
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:29,260
aliens alone

590
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:31,990
that's a new one to me well yeah at this

591
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:34,930
a lot i have a lot of knowledge in this

592
00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:38,470
field and I've I decided to put it all

593
00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:41,260
in chronological order and like that

594
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:43,030
said even if you skipped the first half

595
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:44,890
of the book and just go to the chapter

596
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:46,990
that with the bullet points if you knew

597
00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:49,210
nothing about this field matter of fact

598
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:51,040
I've used that chapter as I was writing

599
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:54,190
at this past year i gay I did to two or

600
00:26:58,530 --> 00:26:56,110
three conferences where I didn't put up

601
00:27:00,780 --> 00:26:58,540
a powerpoint i took that chapter and i

602
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:00,790
just started reading each bullet point i

603
00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:03,190
had never had so many people come up to

604
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:05,140
me wanting to buy my book saying I

605
00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:06,490
didn't know that I didn't know that I

606
00:27:10,110 --> 00:27:08,350
didn't know that I said well this is in

607
00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:10,120
my next book which isn't written yet but

608
00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:14,500
I do have some other good ones okay now

609
00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:17,680
i think most of our listeners if they

610
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:20,560
haven't seen you on hangar 1 are going

611
00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:23,640
to know you recently because um

612
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,380
unfortunately Malaysian flight 370

613
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:28,000
disappeared on march eight as everyone

614
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:33,010
knows and you have become the poster boy

615
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:35,890
as it were for the alien abduction

616
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:40,120
hypothesis is that a fair statement yeah

617
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:42,490
I would say that's fair in the but you

618
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:44,410
know the point that kind of got missed

619
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:47,290
in this was what I was trying to do was

620
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:50,620
throw out another alternative what would

621
00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:53,050
really ticked me off and why i wrote my

622
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:56,200
little article that kinda went viral and

623
00:28:01,080 --> 00:27:58,330
it wasn't meant to i sent it to my local

624
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:01,090
contacts here around pittsburgh and it

625
00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:02,710
ended up all over the place i ended up

626
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:05,620
on CNN but you know what i would I what

627
00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:07,390
happened was I read this article i think

628
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:10,420
it was online on bing or msn and and the

629
00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:12,190
guy was talking about there are only

630
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:14,560
five possibilities and he listed all

631
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:17,770
five and I said you know what in reading

632
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:20,610
what happened when you tell me a plane

633
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:23,410
vanished that's the language that was

634
00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:26,470
used transponders stopped no distress

635
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:30,100
calls no cell phone no signature of an

636
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:32,680
explosion no debris well then let me

637
00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:34,810
tell you there's a sixth possibility and

638
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:37,630
that's that it was abducted because

639
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:40,150
there is a history to this and and my

640
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:42,580
other point that I that I wanted out

641
00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:44,260
was that I think they're still alive I

642
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,990
don't think these people are dead and

643
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,919
you know what some of the people that

644
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:50,320
came back at me I said well why is it

645
00:28:54,659 --> 00:28:52,510
okay to say it blow up and everybody's

646
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:54,669
dead why is it okay to say it's at the

647
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:56,289
bottom of the ocean and everybody's dead

648
00:29:01,409 --> 00:28:58,690
and why is it not okay to say was

649
00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:01,419
abducted in this still life and that's

650
00:29:04,649 --> 00:29:03,190
my feeling on this and I can give you

651
00:29:08,009 --> 00:29:04,659
more facts on it if you want it you know

652
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,019
keep discussing it uh well yeah honestly

653
00:29:14,909 --> 00:29:11,679
um I think a lot of people a lot of our

654
00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:14,919
listeners frankly kind of came across

655
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:16,840
that and we're like well that's I'm

656
00:29:22,129 --> 00:29:18,820
gonna use a bad word here was kind of a

657
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,139
crackpot thing to say so defend yourself

658
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:25,120
yes well you know I did go out on the

659
00:29:30,629 --> 00:29:28,870
limb by saying it so early because it

660
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:30,639
was based on that guy you know the one

661
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:32,110
writer saying there was only five

662
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:34,929
possibilities and it was based on the

663
00:29:40,889 --> 00:29:38,289
language describing it as vanished and

664
00:29:43,529 --> 00:29:40,899
and the questions that were coming up so

665
00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:43,539
I wouldn't say was crackpot because I I

666
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:44,950
went out on a limb definitely I mean

667
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:47,110
it's a lot safer now three weeks later

668
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:50,529
to come out and say was it taken by was

669
00:29:54,269 --> 00:29:52,690
it abducted because at the time there

670
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,279
was still a very good chance that they

671
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:56,559
would find debris and that was going to

672
00:30:01,200 --> 00:29:58,450
look stupid but I said you know what

673
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:01,210
based on when I'm what Dwayne was

674
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,970
described and I think that morning I

675
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:05,440
wrote it it was I was watching the news

676
00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:07,630
and they were talking that so one

677
00:30:13,169 --> 00:30:09,789
article about how the radar had been

678
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:13,179
changed manipulated and falsified and I

679
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:15,490
saw another article on the news on

680
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:18,760
saying now it turned West and then it

681
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:20,710
went south I said these people don't

682
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:22,539
know anything they don't know anything

683
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:26,500
and and now the other point that I kind

684
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:29,230
of it concluded my opinion piece and it

685
00:30:34,139 --> 00:30:32,380
was my opinion piece was that let me get

686
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:34,149
this right i was on the Anderson Cooper

687
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:36,850
show two years ago and I told Anderson

688
00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:40,809
Cooper that every cell phone call every

689
00:30:46,169 --> 00:30:43,419
text every email is monitored in this

690
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:46,179
country by the NSA and he laughed at me

691
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:48,010
he didn't believe it you can go back I

692
00:30:53,129 --> 00:30:51,070
got the DVD I got it on my website right

693
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:53,139
side of my website Anderson Cooper watch

694
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:55,630
it I told him that he laughed and then

695
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,380
he came out

696
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,200
yeah that is being done by the NSA so

697
00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:01,600
now with that in my mind I said well

698
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:03,940
let's see this this planes going into

699
00:31:08,550 --> 00:31:06,670
Chinese airspace are you telling me our

700
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:08,560
military doesn't have a satellite

701
00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:10,990
looking at Chinese airspace and the

702
00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:13,000
Chinese don't have satellites looking to

703
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:14,740
see what's in coming so you're telling

704
00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:16,870
me China in the United States don't know

705
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:19,480
what happened to this plane that is an

706
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:22,570
absolute impossibility they have though

707
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:25,450
the military has to know what happened

708
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:27,460
to this plane if they know I'm on this

709
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:29,680
show with you right now they know what

710
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,020
happened to this plane and that was

711
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:34,480
really my concluding point was that they

712
00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:36,610
know you know the to think in a world

713
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:37,870
where everything but they got a

714
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:39,640
satellite that can look down right now

715
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:41,980
through my skylight and seem notes in

716
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:43,720
front of me on this Malaysian flight

717
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:45,970
they can see that from a satellite right

718
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:47,470
now and you tell me you don't know where

719
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,170
to play in this but but what I did to

720
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,760
Justin I didn't just throw it out of

721
00:31:57,390 --> 00:31:53,440
there you know just pull this out of the

722
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,400
air was I I know our history and what I

723
00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:00,880
did was I gave some examples if you want

724
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:03,820
to talk about aircraft that disappeared

725
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,540
we have the flight 19 out of Fort

726
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Lauderdale December of 1945 we had five

727
00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:13,170
bombers that took off they disappeared

728
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:16,390
so we sent up a large Martin Mariner

729
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:19,420
which was you know like a recovery plane

730
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:22,450
which was huge it disappeared so six

731
00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:25,330
planes twenty seven crew members totally

732
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:27,340
vanished and that's the same wording

733
00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:29,590
they used on television this plane

734
00:32:36,570 --> 00:32:32,440
vanished a couple of years later eight

735
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,580
years later general chid low in 1953 and

736
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:38,320
this is in my book all this stuff I got

737
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:41,350
out of my book alternative history he

738
00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:43,690
said we have stacks of flying saucer

739
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:46,420
reports we take them very seriously when

740
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:50,050
you consider how many men and planes we

741
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:53,350
have lost trying to intercept them so

742
00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:55,090
those planes were probably shot down

743
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:57,910
maybe maybe not or disappeared but then

744
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:01,840
in 1953 after he says that November 23rd

745
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:04,390
we have what came to be known as the

746
00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:08,860
Kinross incident we send a scorpion jet

747
00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:10,060
up from

748
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:12,400
Ross Air Force Base that intercept a UFO

749
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:15,580
a guide been on radar they're heading

750
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:17,530
right at each other head-on collision

751
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:20,880
well the UFO keeps going our jet

752
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:23,260
disappears and so does the four crew

753
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:26,050
members they have that on radar no

754
00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:28,930
debris no recovery we never find the

755
00:33:34,350 --> 00:33:31,270
crew members and probably the more

756
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:34,360
recent best case was the Fred Valentich

757
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:38,350
case in 1978 in Australia they got him

758
00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:42,730
on radio calling in he sees a large like

759
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:45,790
shiny cigar-shaped object with four

760
00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:48,430
lights on it he says it's not an

761
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,160
airplane an aircraft it's coming closer

762
00:33:56,790 --> 00:33:54,640
to him you hear this metal you can hear

763
00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:56,800
it on the radio transcripts is still out

764
00:34:02,370 --> 00:33:58,540
there you can find it you hear this

765
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:02,380
banging and this metal and he's gone no

766
00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:04,600
debris they knew exactly where it was it

767
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:06,580
wasn't like he was down by Antarctica he

768
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:08,830
was right off of the coast of Australia

769
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:11,260
they know exactly where they lost him no

770
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,080
debris no recovery planes totally gone

771
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:16,240
you know then I said to and I said to

772
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:18,850
some people recently I said you know

773
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:20,830
let's say a Carnival cruise ship off of

774
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,890
Miami they find it totally abandoned you

775
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:26,320
know what is the media going to say you

776
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:27,730
know are they going to say well it was

777
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:30,220
engine fumes and everybody had to get

778
00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:33,250
off the boat are they going to say was

779
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:35,350
pirates that abducted the 4,000

780
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:38,140
passengers that there is no media outlet

781
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:40,990
that's going to say that the people were

782
00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:43,330
abducted by UFOs and that's one of the

783
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:45,580
problems with our media and why the

784
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:47,710
mufon symposium this year which I'm

785
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:51,640
running in Philadelphia July 18 19 20

786
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,000
the topic is UFOs in the media so it was

787
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,280
kind of perfect that we're going to talk

788
00:35:01,650 --> 00:34:59,680
about why the media other than you know

789
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:01,660
these internet radio shows and your

790
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:04,510
local small newspaper will write these

791
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:07,450
things you will not get network news or

792
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:09,160
the New York Times at a wall street

793
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:12,340
journal talking about this so so you

794
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:14,050
know and then the reason I say that a

795
00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:17,410
Carnival cruise ship is that actually

796
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:19,600
happened in 1870 to the Marie Celeste

797
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,330
Mersch merchant ship was found in the

798
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:23,920
ocean dinner

799
00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:27,490
the table nobody on board absolutely

800
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:30,040
nobody on board and it's happened you

801
00:35:36,539 --> 00:35:33,630
know my book is full of instances of

802
00:35:38,789 --> 00:35:36,549
military troops disappearing you have

803
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:38,799
the Roanoke North Carolina colony

804
00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:40,630
disappeared even the Indian said they

805
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:42,630
didn't know where they went there's a

806
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:47,020
eskimo village in 1930 same thing sled

807
00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:49,690
dogs their food on the table not one

808
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:53,140
human being left in the village you got

809
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:55,079
the British troops in Gallipoli turkey

810
00:36:01,890 --> 00:35:58,510
1917 that the troop they saw them walk

811
00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:01,900
into a cloud march into a cloud the

812
00:36:07,799 --> 00:36:04,990
cloud passes there's no more troops 800

813
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:07,809
of them gone six thousand men Roman

814
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:10,839
Ninth Legion near Rendlesham forest of

815
00:36:17,339 --> 00:36:13,780
all places where we've had two UFO cases

816
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:17,349
the big Grendel's from case 1980 and an

817
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:19,660
earlier one I think that was in 59 or or

818
00:36:25,319 --> 00:36:23,770
or 57 that Legion just totally

819
00:36:27,299 --> 00:36:25,329
disappeared nobody knows where that

820
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:27,309
entire Legion went and is even more

821
00:36:31,859 --> 00:36:29,380
cases than that so so I didn't just pull

822
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,869
it out of my hat you know I do know what

823
00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:33,910
has happened in this field and that's

824
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:35,799
why I wrote it now I was nervous about

825
00:36:41,069 --> 00:36:38,170
putting it out there because I knew it

826
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:41,079
was early in the process I I was going

827
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:43,210
out on a limb but I said you know what

828
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:45,190
based on the way they described it and I

829
00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:47,290
got a little mad you know the fact that

830
00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:49,630
they would never acknowledge this I said

831
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:50,920
you know what I'm gonna put it out there

832
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:53,650
and see what happens and you know I

833
00:36:56,849 --> 00:36:55,420
don't want to say luckily three weeks

834
00:36:59,609 --> 00:36:56,859
later they haven't found it because I

835
00:37:02,400 --> 00:36:59,619
wish they would but you know it's still

836
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:02,410
hope I do believe these people are alive

837
00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:04,089
I know I know I really don't think that

838
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,380
they're dead I don't think they're in

839
00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:07,119
the bottom of the ocean like everybody

840
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:09,460
seems to want to find out that that's

841
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:13,119
what happened well i will give you that

842
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:16,210
it is incredibly odd given the proximity

843
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:18,250
of china and the number of chinese

844
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:21,250
aboard that plane that they don't have

845
00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:23,650
more information on it you'd think they

846
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:25,589
would have satellites I mean they

847
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:29,020
they're bristling against Japan right

848
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,700
now they're they're having issues with

849
00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:33,520
india right now they they have to keep

850
00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:35,589
an eye on North Korea just like everyone

851
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:37,540
else you think that have plenty of

852
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:39,430
eyes in the sky so that that does make

853
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:43,630
this all very strange um it I think a

854
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:44,950
lot of people are still going to say

855
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:48,400
that an alien abduction is a little bit

856
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:50,650
out there I'm going to run with that for

857
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:52,030
a second though I'm going to grant you

858
00:37:58,290 --> 00:37:54,450
that and I'm going to ask you this if

859
00:38:00,840 --> 00:37:58,300
the aliens who haven't necessarily gone

860
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:00,850
to great lengths to hide themselves but

861
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:03,490
haven't exactly you know landed in Times

862
00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:06,070
Square either are to the point where in

863
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:07,900
this day and age where they knew it

864
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:10,450
would be missed are willing to grab an

865
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:13,750
entire airliner is that something is

866
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:15,250
that a is that something we should be

867
00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:16,660
concerned about I mean is that is that

868
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:20,440
denote some new policy should we be

869
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:23,250
scared about what comes in the next year

870
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:26,290
well you know I that's why I say that

871
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:27,700
you know you can't ignore these

872
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:31,180
abductions and David Politis book on he

873
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,150
researched state parks and the number of

874
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:36,400
people that disappear are astronomical

875
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:38,020
and they don't find them and you don't

876
00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:40,600
do what's funny is that my son a couple

877
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:42,820
years ago when he graduated college I

878
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,230
was over his house and just talking to

879
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,760
him and his roommate there a couple of

880
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:47,920
roommates and I said you know people get

881
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:49,480
abducted and they said to me well how

882
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:51,790
many oh I don't know so let's go online

883
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:56,290
so we googled it and there's 250,000

884
00:39:01,350 --> 00:38:58,090
people year in the united states that

885
00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:01,360
are missing persons reports and it turns

886
00:39:06,090 --> 00:39:03,220
out that almost ninety percent of them

887
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:06,100
come home or found etc but there was

888
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:08,590
somewhere around 30,000 people year in

889
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:11,170
the united states that totally totally

890
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:14,110
disappear now summer homicides some are

891
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:16,210
Runaways that that you know never do

892
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:19,720
return but 30,000 people a year just in

893
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:21,700
this country you know and then I started

894
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:23,770
thinking about you know the milk cartons

895
00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:25,390
that you see with the kids that are

896
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:27,580
missing and then all the people who

897
00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:29,380
claim that they've been abducted and you

898
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:31,480
listen to david jacobs and stuff and it

899
00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:34,630
doesn't seem to me that whatever species

900
00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:36,520
is here right now i don't think they're

901
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:38,550
friendly i think they're hostile so

902
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:41,860
would they just grabbed an airliner with

903
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:45,160
239 people yeah they would because what

904
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:46,750
are you gonna do about it but you know

905
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:48,490
if they're watching us to listening to

906
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:50,690
our news they know the news is

907
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:53,930
going to report it as being a alien

908
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:55,550
abduction so what do they got to lose

909
00:39:59,710 --> 00:39:57,500
nobody is going to believe that they've

910
00:40:01,390 --> 00:39:59,720
already called the bluff before they did

911
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:01,400
it because nobody's going to believe

912
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:03,230
that we've set it up in this country

913
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:06,470
that you can never ever talk about the

914
00:40:10,359 --> 00:40:08,930
extra-terrestrial problem because

915
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:10,369
nobody's going to believe it I'll think

916
00:40:15,550 --> 00:40:12,500
you're crazy and you can thank the CIA

917
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:15,560
for that because that was their modus

918
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:19,430
operandi back in 1953 with the Robertson

919
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,410
panel they even said they were going to

920
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:23,119
come out and make fun of people who

921
00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:25,250
report UFOs they would have debunk it

922
00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:27,140
they were going to give any answer

923
00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:30,740
possible there's a 1958 memo from the

924
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:33,800
CIA where they said that that that's

925
00:40:40,059 --> 00:40:37,569
what they did in 1953 and they even

926
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:40,069
sponsored Walter Cronkite the most

927
00:40:46,089 --> 00:40:43,400
believable news person in America they

928
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:46,099
sponsored his CBS special with the

929
00:40:51,099 --> 00:40:48,650
agenda to the bunk UFOs and he went

930
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:51,109
along with it so so weary kind of like

931
00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:53,420
painted ourselves in a little trick box

932
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,420
here that you know if anything they do

933
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,359
you know if HIV came from them you know

934
00:41:03,790 --> 00:41:01,280
maybe that's a way of getting rid of the

935
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:03,800
human race how can you ever come out and

936
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:05,750
say that nobody's ever going to believe

937
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:08,569
it so so we have a problem with truth

938
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:11,240
right now and and that shouldn't be not

939
00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:16,460
in this country now do you think that is

940
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:19,880
human hubris or do you think that

941
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:23,480
perhaps there's some stronger aliens

942
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:26,510
presence than we realize Allah to take

943
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:29,150
it to a movie they live where they are

944
00:41:33,069 --> 00:41:31,670
actually influenced some of that you

945
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:33,079
know you know that's the stuff that's

946
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:36,770
hard to figure out the things i do know

947
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:39,650
are real or the documents out there and

948
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:42,050
i put about 20 of them in my book where

949
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:44,180
you know you have generals talking about

950
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:47,270
UFOs you have the CIA and it's like four

951
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:48,890
memos of them talking back and forth

952
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:52,700
regarding UFOs you know statements that

953
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,770
have been made that the kennedy memo 10

954
00:41:59,559 --> 00:41:56,960
days before his death he put out two

955
00:42:02,680 --> 00:41:59,569
memos regarding UFOs those things I know

956
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:02,690
are real so that proves to me UFOs are

957
00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:04,610
real I don't know

958
00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:07,220
about you know the hybridization you

959
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:09,320
know are there people walking among us

960
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:11,660
that's part alien I don't know if

961
00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:14,110
Eisenhower actually met you know with

962
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:16,070
extraterrestrials I don't know if

963
00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:18,500
they're if they're the real problem and

964
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:20,120
it's not the Bilderbergers and the

965
00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:23,890
Rothschilds it's them you know the

966
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:26,060
reptilian says I can't think of a

967
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:28,430
British guy that talks about that but

968
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:30,530
he's convinced that there's a reptilian

969
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:32,030
species here that's running everything

970
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:35,390
that's you can get into any avenue you

971
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:38,090
want with this and convince yourself

972
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:39,740
that that's what's really going on I

973
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,280
don't know if that stuff's real i dunno

974
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:45,440
UFOs are real and there's documentation

975
00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:50,630
to that point that they are real okay um

976
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,120
you know they're real have you seen one

977
00:42:58,060 --> 00:42:55,760
no and that's the weird thing is I never

978
00:42:59,650 --> 00:42:58,070
have and let me tell you a little bit

979
00:43:02,590 --> 00:42:59,660
how I got into this and this is

980
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:02,600
interesting because nearly everyone I

981
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:05,780
know got into UFOs because they love

982
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:07,970
that as a kid you know Stan Gordon lives

983
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:10,550
three miles from me he got into it with

984
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:13,520
Kecksburg I think he was 9 years old you

985
00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:15,470
know and and just about everybody a move

986
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:17,360
on said oh here's a kid I was into this

987
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:19,460
I read every UFO book and then they

988
00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:21,500
asked me and I said I never ready you a

989
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:24,260
full book I had no interest in UFOs what

990
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:27,260
I did do I was a comic con guy I went to

991
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:30,290
horror you know conventions and comic

992
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:32,390
cons and collected Famous Monsters of

993
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,030
Filmland and built models of you know

994
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:37,760
Frankenstein and and the mummy and stuff

995
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:40,310
like that but what happened was I wanted

996
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:43,670
to write a science-fiction book so in 96

997
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:46,670
I said you know I was going to write it

998
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:48,470
on the year 2000 and I said well I don't

999
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:50,390
have enough time to really do this I've

1000
00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:52,430
never written before I said let me pick

1001
00:43:56,590 --> 00:43:54,440
the mayan calendars that i gave me

1002
00:44:00,010 --> 00:43:56,600
plenty of time i had 16 years to get it

1003
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:00,020
done and so the more i started

1004
00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:02,570
researching this endtime prophecies and

1005
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:04,820
all these different cultures the one

1006
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:06,770
thing I kept coming across is they're

1007
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:08,650
talking about people from the stars

1008
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:11,630
people aren't flying shields you know

1009
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,150
star people and you know in a number of

1010
00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:15,680
different cultures and I said you know

1011
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:17,780
what as soon as i'm done with this I'm

1012
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:18,410
going to look

1013
00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:21,500
into this UFO field and that's how I got

1014
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:24,980
involved really in in 98 i joined MUFON

1015
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:26,990
and at that time I knew nothing about

1016
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:29,450
UFOs other than you know the thing from

1017
00:44:32,859 --> 00:44:31,130
outer space that crashed with james

1018
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:32,869
arness and the Antarctic that's above

1019
00:44:37,539 --> 00:44:35,930
all I do you know so so that's how I got

1020
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:37,549
involved but I never I've never seen a

1021
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,089
UFO I thought I didn't 2008 we were

1022
00:44:46,990 --> 00:44:43,760
having a UFO wave across Pennsylvania

1023
00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:47,000
are a number of sightings tripled and I

1024
00:44:51,609 --> 00:44:49,099
had a pair of Dobermans at the time and

1025
00:44:52,990 --> 00:44:51,619
I I let them out my well-behaved I let

1026
00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:53,000
him out my front door they would never

1027
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,190
run away and all of a sudden I saw this

1028
00:44:59,740 --> 00:44:57,440
thing in the sky really bright moving

1029
00:45:03,160 --> 00:44:59,750
really fast and I said I just saw my

1030
00:45:05,859 --> 00:45:03,170
first UFO but I did what we train our

1031
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:05,869
investigators to do I went back in the

1032
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,329
house brought the dogs in with me and I

1033
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:10,400
got on the websites and there are

1034
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:12,380
different websites that you can look up

1035
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:15,530
to space station meteors satellites etc

1036
00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:18,770
and there it is I put Greensburg

1037
00:45:25,029 --> 00:45:21,640
Pennsylvania my zip code and a date and

1038
00:45:27,279 --> 00:45:25,039
exactly at the time I saw it at 10 22

1039
00:45:30,279 --> 00:45:27,289
p.m. there was a small asteroid that

1040
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:30,289
went across the sky and it reflected the

1041
00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:32,150
moonlight so that was the bright light I

1042
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,520
saw as it was going across the sky so

1043
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,319
you know I thought I saw a UFO but I

1044
00:45:40,990 --> 00:45:38,720
didn't but I applied what we train our

1045
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:41,000
people to do to try to scientifically

1046
00:45:45,490 --> 00:45:42,890
investigate it but I've never seen one

1047
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:45,500
I'm not sure I want to you know all

1048
00:45:50,769 --> 00:45:48,529
along I said if I saw one I'm gonna wave

1049
00:45:52,359 --> 00:45:50,779
them down make contact is they're going

1050
00:45:55,539 --> 00:45:52,369
to tell me the truth and everything

1051
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:55,549
about civilization and the universe but

1052
00:45:59,260 --> 00:45:56,930
I don't think that's what they would do

1053
00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:59,270
but I don't think they regard me any

1054
00:46:03,220 --> 00:46:01,430
more than I regard the stink bugs that

1055
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:03,230
it seemed to be in my house right now

1056
00:46:11,019 --> 00:46:07,609
and hatching a land and what's crazy is

1057
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,029
if you look at two documents in

1058
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:14,240
particular they tell you to stay away

1059
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:17,930
from UFOs do not get under them don't

1060
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:21,970
you know hide one don't get caught and

1061
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:25,940
those two documents or the fire officers

1062
00:46:31,749 --> 00:46:29,089
guide to disaster control it's a FEMA

1063
00:46:33,849 --> 00:46:31,759
approved hazmat book that

1064
00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:33,859
in every final department in the United

1065
00:46:39,909 --> 00:46:37,579
States chapter 13 is on UFOs and the

1066
00:46:42,489 --> 00:46:39,919
threat and I would tell people to read

1067
00:46:45,339 --> 00:46:42,499
that because it'll tell you about

1068
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:45,349
radiation psychological effects of

1069
00:46:50,379 --> 00:46:47,569
abduction this is in a fire department

1070
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,389
book you know show me the chapter on the

1071
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:53,119
Bigfoot attack and I'll show me the

1072
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:55,729
chapter on poltergeists attack and what

1073
00:47:01,019 --> 00:46:58,249
to do it's not there but there is a

1074
00:47:03,789 --> 00:47:01,029
chapter in the every fire department on

1075
00:47:07,689 --> 00:47:03,799
UFOs and same thing with the Air Force

1076
00:47:09,849 --> 00:47:07,699
from nineteen 68 to 70 they taught a

1077
00:47:13,179 --> 00:47:09,859
course at the Air Force Academy in

1078
00:47:17,649 --> 00:47:13,189
Colorado Springs it was called it was a

1079
00:47:19,989 --> 00:47:17,659
physics 370 class chapter 33 was on UFOs

1080
00:47:23,259 --> 00:47:19,999
and again it gives all these examples

1081
00:47:25,899 --> 00:47:23,269
and it talks about the threat from UFOs

1082
00:47:29,739 --> 00:47:25,909
so you know I would cite both of those

1083
00:47:31,389 --> 00:47:29,749
as examples of don't get caught you know

1084
00:47:36,459 --> 00:47:31,399
don't get captured so it's like playing

1085
00:47:40,029 --> 00:47:36,469
paintball don't get hit you know run is

1086
00:47:42,849 --> 00:47:40,039
is that fire um manual still current

1087
00:47:45,729 --> 00:47:42,859
yeah yeah they just put out I I went and

1088
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:45,739
I went on amazon l and i ordered a copy

1089
00:47:51,069 --> 00:47:49,130
for myself I got the 1978 edition you

1090
00:47:54,779 --> 00:47:51,079
know I thought that maybe 10 years ago

1091
00:47:57,339 --> 00:47:54,789
they came out with a new one in maybe 98

1092
00:47:59,859 --> 00:47:57,349
something like that or maybe was 2008

1093
00:48:02,199 --> 00:47:59,869
and yes it's in their chapter 33 it's

1094
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:02,209
called UFOs and the threat and and

1095
00:48:07,389 --> 00:48:05,089
here's a crazy thing and nobody's put

1096
00:48:09,339 --> 00:48:07,399
this connection together but it's in the

1097
00:48:12,339 --> 00:48:09,349
book because people haven't done their

1098
00:48:14,439 --> 00:48:12,349
research much like fact and faked the

1099
00:48:17,409 --> 00:48:14,449
fact or faked on the sci-fi channel did

1100
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:17,419
an episode on the Battle of LA and they

1101
00:48:22,029 --> 00:48:19,489
were able to find all these witnesses

1102
00:48:23,529 --> 00:48:22,039
and go through it and prove that there

1103
00:48:25,389 --> 00:48:23,539
was something in the sky there and it

1104
00:48:28,769 --> 00:48:25,399
wasn't a balloon and it was most likely

1105
00:48:32,769 --> 00:48:28,779
a UFO the thing they missed was the

1106
00:48:36,999 --> 00:48:32,779
co-author of this femur approved book

1107
00:48:40,659 --> 00:48:37,009
the fire officers guide to the disaster

1108
00:48:43,389 --> 00:48:40,669
control he says right in the book I was

1109
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:43,399
a witness to the Battle of LA that's why

1110
00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:44,420
I include

1111
00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:46,820
this chapter the guy went on to be an

1112
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:50,660
attorney he was a reserve officer in I

1113
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:52,700
don't remember who was the Navy and he

1114
00:48:58,510 --> 00:48:55,790
became the deputy fire chief of Los

1115
00:49:01,450 --> 00:48:58,520
Angeles the reason he put that chapter

1116
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:01,460
in as he saw the bath full of LA now

1117
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:03,470
what that a witness can you have than

1118
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:06,740
him who now puts it in the femur proof

1119
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:08,510
book that's in every fire department and

1120
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:09,800
it's out there you can buy it i'd

1121
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:13,370
recommend it and do you know the exact

1122
00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:15,650
title of that again yeah the fire

1123
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:18,680
officers guide to disaster control and

1124
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:23,810
the author is William brahmi be our aah

1125
00:49:32,350 --> 00:49:28,700
ma brahmi I'm surprised that there's not

1126
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:32,360
a more recent edition than 98 give it a

1127
00:49:37,870 --> 00:49:35,810
maybe it could have been 2004 2008 it

1128
00:49:40,270 --> 00:49:37,880
was it was within the last 10 years I

1129
00:49:42,850 --> 00:49:40,280
kind of think every 20 years or so he

1130
00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:42,860
updates and it puts it out I have the 78

1131
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:45,140
edition and I'm telling you within the

1132
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:47,570
last 10 years he read he put it out

1133
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:51,350
again whether was 04 08 06 i'm not sure

1134
00:49:55,090 --> 00:49:53,660
but he did update it and it's in there

1135
00:49:57,850 --> 00:49:55,100
because the reefs i know it's in there

1136
00:50:00,040 --> 00:49:57,860
it was on the news I there was a new

1137
00:50:02,770 --> 00:50:00,050
segment out there talking about this

1138
00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:02,780
fire officers guy and the chapter on

1139
00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:05,360
UFOs and I saw it it was maybe four five

1140
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:08,150
six years ago and Jose escamilla who was

1141
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:12,380
a who's a he makes documentaries he also

1142
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:14,810
had it in his but he had the earlier

1143
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:17,360
edition that interview was maybe 10 12

1144
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:21,710
years ago um let's get back to your book

1145
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:23,330
for a second instead of selling this

1146
00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:26,960
this fire guy yeah what's one of the

1147
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:29,720
let's pick we only have about mm five or

1148
00:50:34,090 --> 00:50:31,610
so minutes left look pick out one other

1149
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,100
just amazing thing that you can back up

1150
00:50:40,990 --> 00:50:36,800
from your book that listeners aren't

1151
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:41,000
going to be aware of oh boy it is so

1152
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:43,130
much in there until there's a lot in

1153
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:46,460
there with the battles you like doing

1154
00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:50,630
during here is one during Vietnam there

1155
00:50:58,330 --> 00:50:53,750
were a couple things in Vietnam one was

1156
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,340
that the generals the we would say that

1157
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:01,280
we would call UFOs during Vietnam as

1158
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:03,950
helicopters the only problem in this

1159
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:06,110
general says it is that the North Korean

1160
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:08,930
monies didn't have a helicopters until

1161
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:11,000
the end of the war but we would always

1162
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:12,590
call them helicopters because there was

1163
00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:15,170
no other way to code you know code them

1164
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:19,880
and describe them and it was trying to

1165
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:21,770
William Cooper talks about when he

1166
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,710
served in Vietnam and our whole villages

1167
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:27,200
of people disappeared so that goes along

1168
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:29,450
with your flight 370 and there was one

1169
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:33,950
incident in particular where we send up

1170
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:37,850
two Jet's after UFO it's chasing it goes

1171
00:51:44,410 --> 00:51:40,190
out over the ocean we fire on it as soon

1172
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:44,420
as we fire the jet the UFO takes you

1173
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:47,300
know and not a 90-degree turn we miss it

1174
00:51:54,190 --> 00:51:50,450
our missiles hit an Australian destroyer

1175
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:54,200
called the HMS Hobart absolutely we hit

1176
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:57,260
the Australian destroyer because the UFO

1177
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,330
led us right towards it and as soon as

1178
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:01,760
we fired it took off and we hit the ship

1179
00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:04,190
and that's that general who talks about

1180
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:07,580
the UFOs during Vietnam we used to call

1181
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:10,550
them helicopters and he ended up getting

1182
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:13,730
promoted really high I think into the

1183
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:16,490
joint chiefs of staff etc but I mean

1184
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:18,110
there's an example that that's

1185
00:52:25,420 --> 00:52:22,160
documented and it's real um from your

1186
00:52:27,580 --> 00:52:25,430
book is there a lot more UFO activity in

1187
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:27,590
this in this area of the South China Sea

1188
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,920
or or basically where the Malaysian

1189
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:32,720
flight disappeared them people in

1190
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:35,390
America would realize you know I would

1191
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:37,940
doubt it because if you look at where

1192
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:41,240
who has UFO Reporting centers and you

1193
00:52:44,140 --> 00:52:42,890
know this has always like some people

1194
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:44,150
will come out and say well this is an

1195
00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:47,090
American phenomenon because if you look

1196
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,160
at the number of cases reported every

1197
00:52:53,550 --> 00:52:51,200
year it's eighty percent reported in the

1198
00:52:57,310 --> 00:52:53,560
United States well that's only because

1199
00:52:59,530 --> 00:52:57,320
you have a you know the MUFON you have a

1200
00:53:01,810 --> 00:52:59,540
group that you can report it to move

1201
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:01,820
fonts international but ninety percent

1202
00:53:07,630 --> 00:53:03,530
of the members are in the United States

1203
00:53:09,730 --> 00:53:07,640
you know Canada the UK we you know we're

1204
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:09,740
getting bigger there but when you go out

1205
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:10,760
to

1206
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:13,250
India China you know there's okay you

1207
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:14,840
know what a third of the world's

1208
00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:17,150
population is right in that area there

1209
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,390
and there are at UFO reporting center so

1210
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:22,670
so that's part of the problem I did get

1211
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:26,390
information from an Egyptian doctor who

1212
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:28,490
said that there were UFO sightings in

1213
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:31,010
the area of Malaysia and I got his name

1214
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:34,880
and I I have it in you know a little

1215
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:37,010
write up that I made that he claims they

1216
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:38,900
were there were UFO sightings with this

1217
00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:41,180
this jet but you know I think part of

1218
00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:43,190
the problem is you don't have UFO

1219
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:45,140
Reporting centers around the world but

1220
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:46,970
let me give you one more fact on on on

1221
00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:51,320
UFO Reporting centers now Japan and

1222
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:53,750
China do have UFO Reporting Sanders

1223
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:55,730
government-sponsored buildings that you

1224
00:54:02,440 --> 00:53:59,050
could go in and report it South America

1225
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,450
they handle the UFO cases as through

1226
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:05,440
their FAA like it's an air safety issue

1227
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:09,560
the United States and UK handle it

1228
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:11,630
through their defense department now

1229
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,540
think about that where are the only two

1230
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:16,400
countries really that go after them with

1231
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,130
our jet fighters to shoot them down we

1232
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:21,440
because we want the technology South

1233
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:23,390
America handles that as the air safety

1234
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,060
issue through the FAA and other

1235
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:27,920
countries just have UFO Reporting

1236
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,630
centers you know as a government

1237
00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:32,000
facility that you can report it to like

1238
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:34,550
the IRS so you know that tells you

1239
00:54:38,170 --> 00:54:36,350
something we're after the technology and

1240
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:38,180
we must not think that they're hostile

1241
00:54:45,250 --> 00:54:43,310
because we shoot at them well I hate to

1242
00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:45,260
say it but we are coming to the close of

1243
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:48,320
the show already John uh so this is

1244
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:50,090
probably a great time to take another

1245
00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:53,450
minute and throw out your your digital

1246
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:55,400
vital statistics there how people can

1247
00:54:59,170 --> 00:54:57,020
get a hold of you how people can get a

1248
00:55:01,960 --> 00:54:59,180
hold of this book and your other books

1249
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,970
yeah well the simplest thing would be as

1250
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:04,160
far as my books go which I got three it

1251
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:05,660
out there right now that I think are as

1252
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:08,200
good as any out there it's at John very

1253
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:11,450
calm and anybody interested in our

1254
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:15,950
conferences that's at MUFON PA com we do

1255
00:55:20,740 --> 00:55:18,350
a philly Pittsburgh in an eerie

1256
00:55:22,930 --> 00:55:20,750
conference but for my books it's john

1257
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:22,940
venturi com

1258
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:25,380
okay well thank you so much for being on

1259
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:27,780
today really enjoyed the talk with you

1260
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,130
and I'm sorry that Martin couldn't be

1261
00:55:35,950 --> 00:55:32,220
here with you and good luck with the new

1262
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:35,960
book in alternative history of mankind

1263
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:39,930
it won one other quick question you said

1264
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:41,430
you get it on kindle is that available

1265
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:44,760
as an ibook as well uh I I don't much

1266
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:46,080
what you mean by an ibook I know you can

1267
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:49,020
get on the Kindle to read it I must will

1268
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:51,750
be the ipad version of kindle stuff oh

1269
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:54,330
yeah if you can order it through Kendall

1270
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:55,830
through your iPad you would get it there

1271
00:56:02,240 --> 00:55:59,400
also okay great well thanks once again

1272
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,250
and now I'd like to take a second to

1273
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,500
thank Martin for having me back today

1274
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:06,720
and apologize to all of the listeners

1275
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:09,510
out there that I am NOT Martin it was

1276
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:11,970
good to be back on the show hopefully

1277
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:13,800
this proves to some of you that I did

1278
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:15,510
not run because I was a CIA

1279
00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:17,910
disinformation specialist which I know I

1280
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:21,060
was accused of being in all seriousness

1281
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:23,670
though I would like to thank a Keith and

1282
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:26,520
dark matter radio for making this a much

1283
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:29,550
easier experience than I thought it was

1284
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:31,800
going to be thanks to Andy Fleming for

1285
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:34,740
the Astronomy report apologies to John

1286
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:36,450
Tobin for not being able to get with him

1287
00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:39,180
for the news thanks to peggy who is on

1288
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:41,190
our facebook page and i would like to

1289
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:44,760
remind everybody that you can connect

1290
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:47,130
with podcast UFO all the time at Todd

1291
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:51,030
cast UFO com there is a chat live chat

1292
00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:52,260
running when we do the live shows

1293
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:54,950
there's also a great forum that is

1294
00:57:00,320 --> 00:56:58,230
frankly a bit underutilized but we are

1295
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:00,330
on there talking about this show past

1296
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:03,900
shows future shows other topics so get

1297
00:57:07,580 --> 00:57:06,090
on there and if you're on Facebook you

1298
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:07,590
can find us at facebook now we have a

1299
00:57:12,050 --> 00:57:10,010
very active Facebook community I think

1300
00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,060
something like eight thousand likes on

1301
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:14,520
Facebook maybe more now i'm not sure and

1302
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:16,680
that is run by peggy shunning she kind

1303
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:18,300
of overseas that i'd like to thank her

1304
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:21,470
for all the work she does there